tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803595820939776322.post2316713041106614332..comments2023-10-30T06:38:39.170-07:00Comments on Snow Branches: The Other HolocaustUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803595820939776322.post-85301988614575492932015-04-04T17:11:14.858-07:002015-04-04T17:11:14.858-07:00Thanks very much, VE. I checked out Patterson'...Thanks very much, VE. I checked out Patterson's web site and was immediately struck by his post <a href="http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/ar-animalsslavery.html" rel="nofollow">Animals, Slavery, and the Holocaust</a>. Now I will definitely check out his books. I see one reviewer said the Eternal Treblinka "... totally grabs the reader, not only while reading it, but afterwards also, and probably forever...it profoundly disturbs, shocks and destroys." That's how I felt (and still feel) after watching <a href="http://earthlings.com/?page_id=32" rel="nofollow">Earthlings</a>.<br /><br />I agree that that really hearing the voices of the powerless would have a huge impact. Good on you over at <a href="http://veganelder.blogspot.ca/" rel="nofollow">veganelder</a> for speaking for the ones that have no voice at.David Ashtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339979176989832285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803595820939776322.post-55650058747310743152015-04-04T04:46:15.232-07:002015-04-04T04:46:15.232-07:00Thank you for your recent thoughtful comment on my...Thank you for your recent thoughtful comment on my blog David. I've often read your posts and this one resonated strongly with me in a number of ways. One of the first books about veganism that I acquired for myself was Charles Patterson's "Eternal Treblinka". (http://www.charleswpatterson.com/)<br /><br />If you're unfamiliar with it you might find it to be interesting. It appears that devaluing living beings...no matter their shape, size, color or species...seems to unhinge we human animals and too often leads to horrid behaviors. The older I become the more easily I think I see the obvious regarding what misleads we human folk (either that or I am confusing endurance with insight). Overvaluing ourselves seems to lead to overvaluing those who resemble us which seems to lead to undervaluing those who seem to differ from us which seems, way way too often, to eventually lead to awfulness.<br /><br />Back in the day when I was still active in the work world I ended up in a situation where I had to attend many meetings. I started noticing that very bright people would tout terrific sounding ideas for actions and policies that were only loosely connected to the real world and almost never included a serious and accurate evaluation of their impact on the populations that would be affected. Most frightening of all to me was noticing that these very bright touters were generally seen as "leaders" and were looked up to by almost everyone. Spooky.<br /><br />I wish I had a snappy aphorism but I don't. It does seem, though, that humans would probably behave less horridly if the balance of decision power in any situation that was going to affect living beings was given to the group(s) that were to be the recipients of the policy or whatever rather than the implementers of that policy.<br /><br />Only in the past few months have I begun to listen seriously to the voices of the human victims of oppression. It's turned out to be a staggeringly disorienting and humbling experience. And...most dismayingly of all...the wisdom of doing such has been hiding in plain site for centuries if not millenia. The victims of the Nazi holocaust spoke and few listened, the Native Americans spoke and few listened, the African Americans spoke and few listened. The problem isn't that the information about awfulness isn't available...the problem is that we ignore it or minimize it or dismiss it and find ingenious and sparkling ways to discount it or make ourselves oblivious to it.<br /><br />If we would listen to and heed those with relatively little power (including most certainly our sister/brother non-human Earthlings) a transformation of human behaviors/society would occur almost immediately. <br /><br />Oops...the older I get the more I ramble...sorry. Check out Dr. Patterson's book if you're unfamiliar with it...you might like it.veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803595820939776322.post-9120164466240564852015-01-01T16:28:52.308-08:002015-01-01T16:28:52.308-08:00Hi Tommi. Quite the character: "Recipient of ...Hi Tommi. Quite the character: "Recipient of the Rachel Carson Award, the Albert Schweitzer Humanitarian Award, the Peace Abbey's Courage of Conscience Award, and Green America's Lifetime Achievement Award." Thanks for pointing him out!David Ashtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339979176989832285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803595820939776322.post-26453944962336323312015-01-01T12:28:05.614-08:002015-01-01T12:28:05.614-08:00Thank you. Refer to John Robbins, "Diet For A...Thank you. Refer to John Robbins, "Diet For A New America" published in <br />1987. Reading this book is a stark reminder of how cruel we humans can be to sentient beings. As an aside, John Robbins forsake the fortune and the legacy of his parents company Baskin-Robbins to follow a path exposing animal cruelty. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17168519733031796908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803595820939776322.post-15690268663816719692014-12-31T08:51:38.374-08:002014-12-31T08:51:38.374-08:00Thanks, Susan!Thanks, Susan!David Ashtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339979176989832285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803595820939776322.post-23290425120636562902014-12-31T03:37:09.739-08:002014-12-31T03:37:09.739-08:00Thank you, David.Thank you, David.susandedorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18408105025111214404noreply@blogger.com